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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:18:00 -
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When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:36:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Ydubbs,
Learn what? Learn not to try and help corps get started in PC?
Just because "most of the talent has left" doesn't mean the "barrier to entry" isn't still too high. Even if they have and it is not, anything we can do to encourage smaller/newer corps to participate is good from where I sit.
What's the worst that can happen, PFC fail a 3rd time?
It was a good idea then, and I think it's still a good one now. Learning from the past, improvements have been made and there should be no claims of it being a protection racket in disguise.
So I say bravo to those who helped with this improved reimplementation of PFC, and I wish it nothing but success in increasing the number of players and corps who get to enjoy PC....Leadfoot
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts. Back then, new, small, or low skilled corps had to fight powerhouses in order to cap a district and keep it. I don't know who the powerhouses are now except for FA and MuLa but it doesn't seem like they would bully those sort of corps so why can't those corps launch an attack and compete? I'll tell you why...it's because they don't have competitive spirits. Pubbing satisfies all of their needs.
PFC takes away the conquest aspect of planetary conquest. I just don't like the idea of districts are safe from everyone. If this is going to happen again then pfc corps should be able to take other pfc corps.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:38:00 -
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CUSE WarLord wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left. of course the barrier to get in PC is to high right now. upcoming corps cant clone pack there way in PC right now.
barrier to entry is low....all they have to do is ask TSO for a district. Or, they could launch at some of the corps that they could compete with. There are players that I see in pubs that don't pc at all...I'm certain that there could be a corp or two or three made from them. They choose not to pc. Pubstomping is what they'd rather do.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.
Second this...
I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH.
I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC.
You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:04:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. Ah, the early days of the Omega Commission. I remember when most of that money was spent trying to keep our tankers running  What he said still holds true. If your corp really wants to get into PC, it will take a lot of risk and sacrifice. You will have 100% tax days or just have every donate a lot. You will sync into matches and work on synergy. You will have to bust your ass to get into that first PC and make it NOT a giant waste of time. It still holds true. If you want into PC, all you need is 32 active players who are WILLING to get into PC.
The Omega Commission :D!
Which corp were you in?
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:01:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time.
Right....there also weren't so many triple sp events and active omega boosters either and 750K weekly sp caps. But all of that aside, you are missing the point. If I was a new player and started a corp today and could field a team and wanted to pc...I wouldn't need PFC. I would encourage and try to motivate all of the members in the corp to help fund pc attacks. I would scour the map to find a corp that I could compete against and launch.
That's the reason why I mention what we had to do back when it started. The game has changed but it wouldn't have changed the way we entered pc. Besides, of course, someone gifting us a district which is much more prevalent now than before
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.17 06:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?
"What does it hurt"? I remember attacking corps just for the ISK payout that were on pfc version 2.0, 3.0, 1.8, or whatever. Some of them wouldn't show or field enough players. Some of them would be using less than stellar gear, etc. When your district is not at risk, you slack. That isn't good for training.
Corps need to know what it takes to survive. When you lose, you need to feel like **** and panic that it may be over for your corp. PFC doesn't place corps' backs against the walls. It's a safety net.
"Participation levels continue to decline"? Players have left the game. It isn't like everyone still plays but refuses to pc. I know some people are still going hard with this game but the allure has been spent for a long time now. This new patch may have revived it for some but not enough.
It makes sense to get corps and players to pc but PFC isn't the answer. It's starting to feel like a way for corps to prove how big and bad they are without actually saying it. If you guys want to get corps into pc...the best way would probably be to actively recruit corps in your alliances and give them districts. Even if they can't field teams, they will still have to defend their districts and look to their alliance for help.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.11.19 18:33:00 -
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There's a corp with active players called Second 2 None....why don't one of you guys reach out to them and recruit them into your alliance. They have players but only 7 pc worthy (both skill & gear) but they really want to pc. They also need ISK for a district and clone packs in case they lose their district.
The CEO said he was trying to save $200M. I was going to gift him the ISK for the pack (and I don't know him from dirt) but he said he feels he needs a little more ISK for pc.
So, why don't you guys reach out to them and help them with ISK, personnel, tactic advice, etc
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